December 2022

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sambucol wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:40 pm
MontgomeryCoWx wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:37 pm Not buying the warm up in front of the big front even with the massive Arctic Highs.
I’m glad to read your comment about that. Any idea why that run is showing that suddenly?
Sometimes with huge pressure differences you draw warm air up out in front of the front. I mean, it’s possible, it could rise to the mid-upper 50s out in front, but it’s overdoing that.
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In nearer term, our friends in Louisiana and Mississippi may be in for another rough ride today. Dixie Alley has really been earning it's name the last handful of years.
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The wind chill factors on that Euro run are jaw dropping, absolutely incredible
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I'm amazed the models haven't dropped this yet
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brazoriatx wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:59 pm I'm amazed the models haven't dropped this yet
Yeah at this range is usually when they start dropping it.
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MontgomeryCoWx wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:43 pm
sambucol wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:40 pm
MontgomeryCoWx wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:37 pm Not buying the warm up in front of the big front even with the massive Arctic Highs.
I’m glad to read your comment about that. Any idea why that run is showing that suddenly?
Sometimes with huge pressure differences you draw warm air up out in front of the front. I mean, it’s possible, it could rise to the mid-upper 50s out in front, but it’s overdoing that.
Joe Bastardi said this about that run:
Euro too slow with trough coming out for arctic attack as model loves to feedback in the rockies. But is showing what is coming Dec 20-25 for major energy producing/consuming areas of the south Greatest front ever? 80 degree temp changes Challenge to holiday outbreaks of 83,89
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POW Ponder reported -78 degrees F in Russia yesterday.
More here about the coming cold:
https://youtu.be/NY987okAdks
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I hear everybody saying how it sucked without power during the freeze of 2021..ya it did but I'd rather have no power during winter then no power during hurricane season and summer. I can put more clothes on during winter but I can only take so much off during summer lol
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Man this possible event has exploded on social media.
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djmike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:14 pm Man this possible event has exploded on social media.
You been quiet about this so far. lol
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Look at how much of the us is below zero. That is unreal!
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There are two ways we could get a winter storm from this event.

Scenario #1 The trough digs far enough south to cause a surface reflection to develop in the gulf.This scenario would have a better chance of producing widespread heavier totals of frozen precip.(Some Examples: February 2021 storm,Christmas eve snow storm of 2004,1895 Valentines day snow storm,ect...)

Scenario #2 The front will be strong enough that even without the trough getting cut off,there could be enough lift with the front for whats called an "Ana Front". This produces isentropic lift behind the frontal boundary in the sub freezing environment.( January 2018 sleet storm)

Now if the front is too strong it could cause too much suppression and we just end up with a dry cold event, all scenarios are still on the table of course.
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That 70's to -20s difference in Texas is unreal!
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don wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:22 pm There are two ways we could get a winter storm from this event.

Scenario #1 The trough digs far enough south to cause a surface reflection to develop in the gulf.This scenario would have a better chance of producing widespread heavier totals of frozen precip.(Some Examples: February 2021 storm,Christmas eve snow storm of 2004,1895 Valentines day snow storm,ect...)

Scenario #2 The front will be strong enough that even without the trough getting cut off,there could be enough lift with the front for whats called an "Ana Front". This produces isentropic lift behind the frontal boundary in the sub freezing environment.( January 2018 sleet storm)
I'll take option 1 for $200, Alex...
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TexasBreeze wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:23 pm That 70's to -20s difference in Texas is unreal!
It won’t be that extreme IMO. More like 50s on the warm end.
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snowman65 wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:25 pm
don wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:22 pm There are two ways we could get a winter storm from this event.

Scenario #1 The trough digs far enough south to cause a surface reflection to develop in the gulf.This scenario would have a better chance of producing widespread heavier totals of frozen precip.(Some Examples: February 2021 storm,Christmas eve snow storm of 2004,1895 Valentines day snow storm,ect...)

Scenario #2 The front will be strong enough that even without the trough getting cut off,there could be enough lift with the front for whats called an "Ana Front". This produces isentropic lift behind the frontal boundary in the sub freezing environment.( January 2018 sleet storm)
I'll take option 1 for $200, Alex...
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Ill take option 1 as well! 🙏🙏🤞🤞
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Stratton20 wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:28 pm 12z Euro holy moly!
73 degrees on the 23rd in Houston? No thanks!
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txsnowmaker wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:44 pm
Stratton20 wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:28 pm 12z Euro holy moly!
73 degrees on the 23rd in Houston? No thanks!
It’s late with the front. It’ll probably come in faster than that.
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brazoriatx wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:11 pm I hear everybody saying how it sucked without power during the freeze of 2021..ya it did but I'd rather have no power during winter then no power during hurricane season and summer. I can put more clothes on during winter but I can only take so much off during summer lol
5°F and between NG fireplace, NG water heater, NG stove and space heaters and a warm slab underneath - it's amazing how you can heat a house into the 60s pretty easily, even with rolling blackouts, and a couple prolonged blackouts. I kept the fireplace and stove cranking, which don't need electricity.

I really should borrow $5K for a generator, though.
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