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Candy Cane wrote:Well 1989 was like this too...generally mild with two VERY strong arctic outbreaks in February (Houston below freezing for 4 days) and then again in December when we dropped to 7 degrees under cloudy, windy and snowy conditions. I'm not giving up.
I remember 1989 (and 1983) all too well. But that 4-day freeze and 7 deg temp occurred at Christmas, not in February. Here's the Houston climo page with monthly records:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/hgx/?n=climate_iah
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No, in February 1989, Houston was below freezing for a few consecutive days. February 4-6th.

Blizzards in Southeast Texas. Here's an interesting read:

EARLY WEATHER IN SOUTHEAST TEXAS:
ICE SKATERS ONCE GLIDED ON SABINE LAKE
By W. T. Block
Copyrighted and reprinted from Beaumont ENTERPRISE-JOURNAL, January 21, 1979, p. 9-A.


Have you ever wished for a little snow in Beaumont, Orange, or Lake Charles? If so, don't wish for too much - please! - because nature has been known on two occasions in the past to be overly generous with the white, fluffy stuff, and who knows, nature might choose once more to repeat its past record snowfalls.

Or maybe you've heard Grandpa talk about the snows that once covered the fence posts along the Gulf coast during his boyhood days, and perhaps you suspected the old codger of stretching the truth somewhat. You can rest assured -- he wasn't!

Whether one checks the snowfalls of recent decades or those of the 1890s, the record reveals that most of them have occurred in the month of February. Hence the odds are good that if Jefferson County is to be blanketed deep in the white fluffy stuff once again, it has a better than average chance to occur during the same month.

On February 14-15, 1895, Southeast Texas and Southwest Louisiana were paralyzed when 31 inches of snow fell in twenty-four hours. It was every man, or woman, or child for himself or herself as schools, stores, churches and sawmills closed down until it warmed up, and every pot-bellied stove glowed a cherry red as each person sought to ward off the bitter cold. (Firewood was no problem in either community around 1900 for every sawmill had large quantities of waste-wood products for free).

Perhaps Beaumont established a state record of sorts as of that year, or so the editor of Galveston "Daily News" inferred in his "Beaumont Budget" of Feb. 17, which read:

"Beaumont has made a record for herself that has perhaps not been equaled before in any other city in the state. Beside the disagreeable distinction of claiming the heaviest snowfall, she also thinks she can claim the distinction of having had used on her streets the first snowshoes ever made in Texas."

"Last night (Feb. 15) Messrs. Al Doucette (for whom the East Texas city is named) and W. G. Hinman walked down Pearl Street wearing snowshoes that fully sustained their weight and fulfilled their functions in every respect. They had a crowd at their heels watching the sight."

At Orange, D. R. Wingate, a prominent sawmiller and old pioneer who had lived in Texas since 1852, observed that the "past six days have had more arctic weather in them than I have experienced in any week in forty years." The editor observed that:

"The locomotive that does the switching in the yards here could not plow its way through the snow that averaged twenty-four inches on top of the rails...In some places, snow drifted to a depth of six feet and effectively blocked traffic at every mill along the river."

Realizing that the top of the rails would stand from at least eight to ten inches above ground level, the snow's depth certainly summed up to some figure between 30 and 36 inches. {From DAILY NEWS, Feb. 16, 17, 1895}

The extremities of weather in the year 1895 were really not that different from weather conditions of Civil War days. Two tombstones in Sabine Pass Cemetery are for 18-year-old boys, who froze to death only 100 yards from their homes during a blinding blizzard. In January, 1864, Sergeant H. N. Connor of Spaight's Battalion reported 21 consecutive days of sub-freezing temperatures in Southeast Texas. One soldier of his company, Co. A, froze to death; saddles, blankets, and personal clothing were frozen stiff; and several ponds near Beaumont were frozen so solid that the ice held the weight of the cavalry horses without cracking. In November, 1864, the ground on Galveston Island "was frozen solid with ice one inch thick." {Diary of Sgt. H. N. Connor and Galveston "Weekly News," Nov. 22, 1864}

In March, 1867, "the cold was so severe that the steam pipes of the steamers, steam sawmills, etc., were frozen and burst. Such severe cold in the late month of March was never before known in Southeast Texas..." {Galv. "Weekly News," March 28, 1867}.

Four years to the day after the huge snowfall of 1895, nature almost repeated its performance, according to a copy of the Sabine Pass "News." The following comments, which should shiver anyone's timbers a bit, appeared in an issue, a copy of which is still in the writer's possession, as follows:

"Last Sunday was the coldest day ever known in Sabine Pass. The thermometer at the weather bureau office here registered eight degrees, eleven degrees being the coldest ever registered here before {the temperature in Beaumont reached 4 degrees F.}. The Pass was frozen over, a solid sheet of ice connecting Texas and Louisiana. Skating was indulged in on the lake above here....It was a general blizzard, and from all quarters come reports of the coldest weather ever known in Texas." {A century ago, water in Sabine Lake was generally fresh prior to any channel deepening.}

And indeed, newly-arrived Dutch immigrants at Nederland, doubtful about ever needing ice skates in Southeast Texas, caught the train to Sabine Pass and spent the day skating on the Sabine Pass channel. (Passenger trains from Beaumont regularly ran to Sabine Pass over the Texas and New Orleans tracks in back of the air port from Civil War days until about 1925.)

Elsewhere in the Sabine Pass paper, the editor reported that the schooner "H. H. Chamberlain" sustained considerable damage to her gunwales upon breaking its moorings during the blizzard and "moving across to Blue Buck Point, getting badly cut by the ice." He also added that the schooner "St. George" was "set adrift in the lake by floating ice Sunday night, the ice cutting a hole through the side of the boat, causing it to sink on the lake shoals."

And along McFaddin Beach, there were tons of "fine speckled trout, weighing from three to nine pounds each, and mullet galore," and some Sabine Pass residents were shoveling them into wagons. The journalist ended his comments with the following remarks:

"Large quantities of fine ocean trout were picked up on the beach Tuesday and Wednesday. They had become helplessly benumbed in the cold waters, and were soon washed ashore by the beach tides, where they quickly froze." {see both Galv. "Daily News" and Sabine Pass "News," February 16, 1899. For photographs of the 31" Beaumont snow of 1895, see Beaumont "Enterprise," Diamond Anniversary Edition, Nov. 6, 1955.}

As recently as the blizzard of January 18-21, 1935, the temperature remained on 14 degrees for three days, the writer going out in the sleet at Port Neches only to feed cattle and break ice so they could drink, or carry in firewood. The writer's family remained huddled around the cherry red cook stove day and night, mostly between feather beds spread out on the kitchen floor. The family burned in three days what was supposed to have been a winter's supply of firewood. Over 25,000 cattle froze to death at Sabine Pass, and after the cold ended, the writer saw carcasses there so plentiful that he could have walked to High Island on the backs of dead animals. As an example of the cattle destruction, Ed Sterrett, a Port Acres rancher, lost everything he owned, 4,000 steers, and the cattle that were saved were those that were driven by cowhands all night. The writer saw cows that were frozen stiff, and some were still standing beside the barbed wire fences, where they had stopped walking.

So neighbor, if you're wondering what kind of cold weather Southeast Texas is capable of producing, remember - it probably has already been produced at least once. So keep your ice skates honed and your snowshoes handy! There ain't no law that sez it can't happen again!

http://www.wtblock.com/wtblockjr/ice.htm
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wxman57 wrote:
Candy Cane wrote:Well 1989 was like this too...generally mild with two VERY strong arctic outbreaks in February (Houston below freezing for 4 days) and then again in December when we dropped to 7 degrees under cloudy, windy and snowy conditions. I'm not giving up.
I remember 1989 (and 1983) all too well. But that 4-day freeze and 7 deg temp occurred at Christmas, not in February. Here's the Houston climo page with monthly records:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/hgx/?n=climate_iah
Yeah, those frozen pipes were just a blast for Christmas in 89. In 83, the shallows on the N end of Galveston Bay froze over and the PVC piping debacle showed its ugly head in residential construction. Tropicals killed off to Brownsville just added to the 'fun'.
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You mean 1899?
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Yeah, I see those record low highs now from 1989:

Feb 4 - 28 1989
Feb 5 - 30 1989
Feb 6 - 30 1989

I was looking at the record lows for February, and on Feb 4-5 they were in 1996. Interestingly enough (to me, anyway), I was on a ski trip to Colorado for that Jan-Feb 1989 Arctic outbreak. Our first day in Winter Park the thermometer read -42F. High was close to 0F. We actually ate outside one day with the temperature way up to 10F. Perfectly clear sky and not a trace of wind. 10F seemed almost warm. Didn't need ice in our drinks. Burgers got pretty hard if you didn't eat fast. ;-)
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tireman4 wrote:You mean 1899?
No, 1989. It is probably the second biggest arctic outbreak...second to only 1899.
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wxman57 wrote:Yeah, I see those record low highs now from 1989:

Feb 4 - 28 1989
Feb 5 - 30 1989
Feb 6 - 30 1989

I was looking at the record lows for February, and on Feb 4-5 they were in 1996. Interestingly enough (to me, anyway), I was on a ski trip to Colorado for that Jan-Feb 1989 Arctic outbreak. Our first day in Winter Park the thermometer read -42F. High was close to 0F. We actually ate outside one day with the temperature way up to 10F. Perfectly clear sky and not a trace of wind. 10F seemed almost warm. Didn't need ice in our drinks. Burgers got pretty hard if you didn't eat fast. ;-)
HAHAHAHA...that actually made me 'LOL'. I can't imagine what -42 feels like. The coldest temp I've ever been in is single digits and that was during the '89 event. I was only a tot then (4 years old) so I don't remember it. We left for Shreveport the morning of the 23rd so I was briefly exposed to temps near zero somewhere along the way.
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Candy Cane wrote:
tireman4 wrote:You mean 1899?
No, 1989. It is probably the second biggest arctic outbreak...second to only 1899.

Sorry about that sir. LOL. Well, I suppose that means...even meteorologists are still baffled by the weather..although forecasting is getting so much better.
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tireman4 wrote:
Candy Cane wrote:
tireman4 wrote:You mean 1899?
No, 1989. It is probably the second biggest arctic outbreak...second to only 1899.

Sorry about that sir. LOL. Well, I suppose that means...even meteorologists are still baffled by the weather..although forecasting is getting so much better.
Please don't call me sir. LOL. I'm 25 for heaven's sake!
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The coldest I have ever been in was Detroit, Michigan...at the 1994 U.S. Figure Skating Championships ( yes I was there...at the Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan debacle...that was at Cobo Hall, I was at Joe Louis Arena). It got down to -1. My nostrils froze and get this, it got up to 25 degrees and we thought it was warm that Friday.
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Florida is about to have their version of 1989... Widespread teens across the Panhandle and possibly further south into inland areas of the peninsula. Many places across the SE will likely see their coldest temps ever recorded for so early in the season

We'll be lucky to fall below 30 here :P
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Mr. T wrote:Florida is about to have their version of 1989... Widespread teens across the Panhandle and possibly further south into inland areas of the peninsula. Many places across the SE will likely see their coldest temps ever recorded for so early in the season

We'll be lucky to fall below 30 here :P
I'm already looking forward to next winter...
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Key West broke a 107 year old high minimum today. The old record was 66 and today the high was 61. Next week may make a run at their lowest recorded temp of 41.
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wxman57 wrote:
I remember 1989 (and 1983) all too well. But that 4-day freeze and 7 deg temp occurred at Christmas, not in February. Here's the Houston climo page with monthly records:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/hgx/?n=climate_iah
I remember the February 1989 and December 1989 freeze. The February 1989 freeze was prolonged, while December 1989 was a hard freeze that hit single digits.

Both freezes were different.

February 1989
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December 1989
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February 1989 freeze was a shallow freeze, while December 1989 freeze was a deep freeze.

Here is December 1983 freeze.
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There is warm air at 300 and 500 mb level.
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We had the heaviest frost of the season so far this morning with a low of 28 in NW Harris County. About 8 hour at or below freezing as well. Now we'll start the warming trend until Saturday afternoon when the next push of colder air arrives. If guidance is correct after the weekend front, a nice warming trend may be ahead for next week. We will see.
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Maybe a nice warming trend leading up to a good cold outbreak like the Euro is showing?
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Actually after looking at the 00Z runs, there is some support for what the Euro depicted, although not as sharp of a trough. The GFS and Canadian are sniffing this as well, so we'll see what the future runs offer. I will say with the heights seen over Greenland, the blocking regime seems to be locked in for a while. There are some hints that the Polar Vortex may drop S into the Upper Mid West. Also, the Pacific could become a bit more helpful as there are suggestions of a possible +PNA ridge popping up that could lead to a nice dump of cold air if that were to happen. Again, we'll see and we've been burned already by the Euro this season.
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Yes, proceed with caution! :?
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No comment here. I only get burned once a year. Since my quota is used up already, I'll wait until we're inside day 5 before I even begin to pay attention.
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Is anybody paying attention to the rather large blocks forecasted by the GFS and Euro to form over Greenland and eventually into Eastern Canada by day 7?

The GFS and Euro have been pumping out some 1060 mb+ highs across Northern Canada the past few runs... They normally lose them in the long run, but the 18z GFS actually attempts to do something interesting with it

Man, if the Pacific wasn't so bad, this would be a serious cold dump pattern. Any flunctiations in the GOA low will have to be watched closely in the coming weeks... If heights are able to build across the Eastern Pacific and the large blocking pattern across the Arctic continues (sort of like last January), the doors will be wide open.
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