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don wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 6:10 pm
Cpv17 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:56 pm
don wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 5:37 pm I finally just got my power back. I love my tropical cyclones but please nothing more than a strong tropical storm or category one this year. I don’t want to go through this again anytime soon.
Sorry if you mentioned this already, but did your property receive any damage?
No thank goodness outside of some tree limbs/branches and blown patio furniture. Some others were not so lucky around me as some large trees went through home roofs. Walking around only my part of the neighborhood every few blocks you see a home with blue tarps like you would after a Hurricane.
That’s good to hear!

As far as the heat goes this week it shouldn’t be that bad. Low 90’s with a heat index in the low 100’s. It’s manageable imo.
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As far as rainfall depiction, i wouldn't trust the models in this range,as they have had a habit this season of overdoing the intensity of the Mexican ridge.(Especially the GFS) i feel chances are that several of the disturbances(storm complexes to be specific) that the models show moving in from the north/northwest over the next couple of weeks will not fizzle out as fast as they are depicting. And several of these systems may "sneak" there way into SE Texas (Especially north of I-10). We'll have to get in the range of the mesoscale models though to figure out which of these disturbances will "sneak" through the ridge.Saying that i still feel we will have some dry and hot days ahead,but I do think it will be wetter over the next few weeks than what the global models are depicting at the moment.

TLDR (not all disturbances will make it through the ridge and into SE Texas but some will)
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I like Matt Lanza but i do think Space City Weather is sometimes too conservative for their on good.
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tireman4 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 1:05 pm
Cromagnum wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 12:54 pm
tireman4 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 9:57 am From Matt Lanza
The same Matt Lanza who said the models whiffed on the storms the other day about 3 hours too early.

Let me say this. First, I am not a meteorologist, but it is not an exact science. Even in this say of advanced computing, mistakes can still be made. He has a BS in Meteorology from Rutgers, so I respect his understanding of the science ( pro met). Second, it threw many a pro met ( this system) . Some were surprised by the intensity. Third, I posted the warm temperatures today, nothing controversial.
If I recall, they were predicting more of a heavy rain event rather than a derecho.
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Well that was a wild ride here in timbergrove, glad to finally getting power back but understandable that it’s been taking them so long. I love a good strong (but well behaved) thunderstorm, but man that got dicey in a hurry. Sounded like a freight train for a good 10 minutes. Here’s to hoping that was the main event for the year and not an appetizer for hurricane season.
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MH5 wrote: Well that was a wild ride here in timbergrove, glad to finally getting power back but understandable that it’s been taking them so long. I love a good strong (but well behaved) thunderstorm, but man that got dicey in a hurry. Sounded like a freight train for a good 10 minutes. Here’s to hoping that was the main event for the year and not an appetizer for hurricane season.
Yes it sounded like a train! That's when I started to freak out a little because i was thinking there was a tornado coming through.
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don wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:07 pm I like Matt Lanza but i do think Space City Weather is sometimes too conservative for their on good.
He’s taking a lot of heat on social media.
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don wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:02 pm As far as rainfall depiction, i wouldn't trust the models in this range,as they have had a habit this season of overdoing the intensity of the Mexican ridge.(Especially the GFS) i feel chances are that several of the disturbances(storm complexes to be specific) that the models show moving in from the north/northwest over the next couple of weeks will not fizzle out as fast as they are depicting. And several of these systems may "sneak" there way into SE Texas (Especially north of I-10). We'll have to get in the range of the mesoscale models though to figure out which of these disturbances will "sneak" through the ridge.Saying that i still feel we will have some dry and hot days ahead,but I do think it will be wetter over the next few weeks than what the global models are depicting at the moment.

TLDR (not all disturbances will make it through the ridge and into SE Texas but some will)
Pretty much. I dig the easterlies.
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don wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:18 pm
MH5 wrote: Well that was a wild ride here in timbergrove, glad to finally getting power back but understandable that it’s been taking them so long. I love a good strong (but well behaved) thunderstorm, but man that got dicey in a hurry. Sounded like a freight train for a good 10 minutes. Here’s to hoping that was the main event for the year and not an appetizer for hurricane season.
Yes it sounded like a train! That's when I started to freak out a little because i was thinking there was a tornado coming through.

I was watching that radar and wind real time - it was like a 10 mile wide EF1 - EF2 tornado. It's a shame but no surprise about the trees. The winds were snapping high tension power lattice towers like they were dead tree branches.
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FXUS64 KHGX 201043
AFDHGX

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Houston/Galveston TX
543 AM CDT Mon May 20 2024

...New AVIATION...

.SHORT TERM...
(Today through Tuesday Night)
Issued at 225 AM CDT Mon May 20 2024

Patchy fog will be possible once again later this morning, but not
expecting it to be quite as widespread or dense with surface
conditions being a little bit drier than previous nights. Locations
west of I-45 have the best chance of seeing fog development mainly
between the timeframe of 5-9AM.

Hot and dry conditions persist as we kick off the new work week, but
we`ll at least have a southerly breeze to work with. Latest surface
analysis shows an area of low pressure developing in the Texas
Panhandle. This`ll tighten the pressure gradient a bit leading to
southerly/southeasterly winds around 10 mph throughout the day.
We`re still going to see temperatures top out in the low 90s, but
90s with a breeze feels waaay better than the low 90s with no wind.
Heat index values will still be in the upper 90s though. That
onshore flow will come back to haunt us tomorrow with increasing
humidity leading to even higher heat index values. Temperatures
during the overnight hours will continue to be well above normal
with lows in the mid to upper 70s tonight and solidly in the upper
70s on Tuesday night.

We get even breezier on Tuesday as a shortwave trough pushing
through the Four Corners region generates another (and slightly
stronger) surface low on the lee-side of the Rockies. The deepening
of this surface low will lead to southeasterly winds around 15 mph
throughout the day. Being in the warm sector of this surface low
allows for moisture to increase even further. PW values will be in
the 1.3-1.7" range by Tuesday afternoon (75th percentile: ~1.60").
There will also be a 20-25 kt LLJ overhead and some upper level
diffluence, but with subsidence from the ridging aloft and a very
robust capping inversion aloft around 850mb...don`t expect to see
anything more than a higher percentage of cloud cover sticking
around through Tuesday afternoon.

Temperatures will still top out in the low 90s Tuesday, but with the
added humidity it`ll feel like the triple digits! Heat index values
are expected to be in the 99-103F range, so heat safety must remain
a top priority. Be sure to drink plenty of water, take frequent
breaks, avoid strenuous outdoor activities during the hottest part
of the day, know the signs of heat stroke/heat exhaustion, and
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS look before you lock your vehicle. Don`t forget
about your pets as well! If the ground is too hot for the palm of
your hand, then it is too hot for their paws.

Batiste

&&

.LONG TERM...
(Wednesday through Sunday)
Issued at 225 AM CDT Mon May 20 2024

With mid/upper level ridging situated to our south and southwest throughout
this period, there are some indications in a couple of the latest model
runs that we might have to keep an eye on possible shower/storm development
from around midweek and on into the weekend. The latest NBM continues
its dry trend with only low rain chances Thursday afternoon/evening,
and will stick with this for now. As has been advertised, the main concern
will be the heat. High temperatures will be in the 90s, and heat index
values will generally be in a 95 to 105 range (and possible getting
close to heat advisory values on Monday...a week from today). Little
relief will come overnight as morning lows by the end of the week and
especially over the weekend will range from the low to mid 70s up north
to the upper 70s to around 80 central and south. As exactly stated above
and for several days now...heat safety must remain a top priority. Be
sure to drink plenty of water, take frequent breaks, avoid strenuous
outdoor activities during the hottest part of the day, know the signs
of heat stroke/heat exhaustion, and ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS look before
you lock your vehicle. Don`t forget about your pets as well! If the
ground is too hot for the palm of your hand, then it is too hot for
their paws.

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&&

.AVIATION...
(12Z TAF Issuance)
Issued at 543 AM CDT Mon May 20 2024

Nighttime satellite imagery depicts low-level clouds filtering in
from the south mainly west of I-45 early this morning. This may
require a short TEMPO for MVFR ceilings/visibilities till 14Z. VFR
conditions will prevail throughout the day with southeasterly
winds around 8-12 knots. Widespread MVFR ceilings expected during
the late evening to overnight hours, and there looks to be some
potential for intermittent periods of IFR ceilings as well.

Batiste

&&

.MARINE...
Issued at 225 AM CDT Mon May 20 2024

Light to mostly moderate onshore winds can be expected through
much of this week. Small craft may need to exercise caution at
times around midweek as the onshore flow increases and seas rise.

42

&&

.HYDROLOGY...
Issued at 225 AM CDT Mon May 20 2024

Minor to major river flooding continues for parts of Southeast
Texas, particularly along portions of the Trinity, Brazos, and San
Jacinto rivers. The following river points are either currently in
flood stage or are forecast to reach flood stage (as of early Monday
morning):

MAJOR//
-------
- Trinity River (Liberty): Major
- Trinity River (Goodrich): Major

MODERATE//
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- Trinity River (Riverside): Moderate
- Trinity River (Moss Bluff): Moderate
- Brazos River (West Columbia): Moderate (forecast)

MINOR//
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- Navasota River (Normangee): Minor
- East Fork San Jacinto (New Caney): Minor
- West Fork San Jacinto (Humble): Minor
- Brazos River (Rosharon): Minor
- Brazos River (Sugar Land): Minor
- Brazos River (Richmond): Minor (forecast)

Remember to heed any instructions from your local officials and to
never travel through ANY flooded areas or roadways. TURN AROUND,
DON`T DROWN. Please monitor updated forecasts via the NWS AHPS
website and/or the new NWS NWPS webpage (https://water.noaa.gov/) as
the river flood threat persists.

Batiste

&&

.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...
College Station (CLL) 90 74 91 76 / 0 0 0 0
Houston (IAH) 91 75 91 77 / 0 0 0 0
Galveston (GLS) 84 78 85 78 / 0 0 0 0

&&

.HGX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
TX...None.
GM...None.
&&

$$

SHORT TERM...Batiste
LONG TERM....42
AVIATION...Batiste
MARINE...42
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Matt Lanza's thoughts on the damage downtown
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I’m loving what I’m seeing from the past couple of runs from the GFS.
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Cpv17 yep no heat ridge and numerous disturbances passing through the state bringing rain with even another front diving down in the 10 day range
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Stratton20 wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 2:16 pm Cpv17 yep no heat ridge and numerous disturbances passing through the state bringing rain with even another front diving down in the 10 day range
Yeppers! The CPC forecast today reflects it. I think they’re a bit too bullish on the heat though.
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A few hours after the storms passed through on Thursday evening, I captured these images from the SPC Mesoanalysis page. I thought they may serve as a good reference for the future regarding some of the parameters that contributed to the severity of the storms...


Surface-Based CAPE/CIN (J kg-1)
SBCAPE (Surface-Based Convective Available Potential Energy) is a measure of instability in the troposphere. This value represents the total amount of potential energy available to a parcel of air originating at the surface and being lifted to its level of free convection (LFC). No parcel entrainment is considered. The CAPE and CIN calculations use the virtual temperature correction.

CIN (Convective INhibition) represents the "negative" area on a sounding that must be overcome before storm initiation can occur.


SPC - SURFACE BASED CAPE - 5.16.2024.png


100-mb Mixed Layer CAPE/CIN (J kg-1)

MLCAPE (Mixed Layer Convective Available Potential Energy) is a measure of instability in the troposphere. This value represents the mean potential energy conditions available to parcels of air located in the lowest 100-mb when lifted to the level of free convection (LFC). No parcel entrainment is considered. The CAPE and CIN calculations use the virtual temperature correction.

CIN (Convective INhibition) represents the "negative" area on a sounding that must be overcome before storm initiation can occur.

SPC - MIXED LAYER CAPE - 5.16.2024.png


Downdraft CAPE (J kg-1)

The DCAPE (Downdraft CAPE) can be used to estimate the potential strength of rain-cooled downdrafts within deep convection, and is similar to CAPE. Larger DCAPE values are associated with stronger downdrafts. Likewise, DCIN (downdraft inhibition) is analogous to convective inhibition (hatching at 25 and 100 J kg-1)

SPC - DCAPE - 5.16.2024.png


Mid-Level Lapse Rates (C km-1)

A lapse rate is the rate of temperature change with height. The faster the temperature decreases with height, the "steeper" the lapse rate and the more "unstable" the atmosphere becomes.

Lapse rates are shown in terms of degrees Celcius change per kilometer in height. Values less than 5.5-6.0 C km-1 ("moist" adiabatic) represent "stable" conditions, while values greater than 9.8 C km-1 ("dry" adiabatic) are considered "absolutely unstable." In between these two values, lapse rates are considered "conditionally unstable." Conditional instability means that if enough moisture is present, lifted air parcels could have a negative LI (lifted index) or positive CAPE.

The 700-500 mb lapse rates, also referred to as mid-level lapse rates, are meant to identify regions where deep convection is more probable (all else being equal). Likewise, steeper lapse rates correspond to the possibility of larger CAPE and stronger storm updrafts.

SPC - 700-500MB LAPSE RATES - 5.16.2024.png
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Effective Bulk Wind Difference (kts)

The magnitude of the vector wind difference from the effective inflow base upward to 50% of the equilibrium level height for the most unstable parcel in the lowest 300 mb. This parameter is similar to the 0-6 km bulk wind difference, though it accounts for storm depth (effective inflow base to EL) and is designed to identify both surface-based and "elevated" supercell environments. Supercells become more probable as the effective bulk wind difference increases in magnitude through the range of 25-40 kt and greater.
Additional information can be found here. (Please open this link in another browser window.)

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/t ... fshear.pdf


SPC - EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR - 5.16.2024.png

0-9 km AGL skew-T diagram

Display depicts the vertical profiles of temperature (red) and dew point temperature (green), in the form of a standard skew-T/logP diagram for the lowest 9 km above ground level.

The 0 C and -20 C isotherms (dashed black and brown diagonal lines, respectively) are plotted for reference. The dashed black curve denotes the "most unstable" lifted parcel trace (only when MUCAPE >= 100 J kg-1 and MUCIN > -250 J kg-1), and the shaded area (light red) shows lifted parcel buoyancy.

SPC - SURFACE MODIFIED RAP SOUNDINGS - 5.16.2024.png

Precipitable Water (PW) indicates the amount of moisture there is above a fixed point. It does not indicate how much it will rain but rather how much moisture is in the air. For example, a Precipitable Water value of 1 inch does not indicate it will rain 1 inch but rather indicates all the moisture above a location if condensed would be 1 inch. The Precipitable Water value is also an instantaneous value of the amount of moisture in the air above a location. It can precipitate more than the precipitable value amount since moisture convergence can occur and precipitation falls over a span of time and is not instantaneous.

The Precipitable Water value gives a forecaster an idea of the amount of moisture in the air. Higher values indicate greater availability of moisture to make rainfall if precipitation develops. Below is a general guide to interpreting the Precipitable Water values:

0.50 inches or less = very low moisture content
0.50 to 1.25 inches = low moisture content
1.25 to 1.75 inches = moderate moisture content
1.75 to 2.00 inches = high moisture content
2.00 inches or above = very high moisture content

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Models are hinting at another frontal boundary moving down here in about 8-10 days, looks like after a brief break, the active pattern is going to be coming back soon
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Stratton20 wrote: Models are hinting at another frontal boundary moving down here in about 8-10 days, looks like after a brief break, the active pattern is going to be coming back soon
Yep, im a little concerned that we haven't seen the last wind damage event this season in SE Texas.And there could be more to come in such an active pattern.With fast moving storm complexes or MCS moving south from the northwest flow aloft.Hopefully nothing like Thursdays Derecho though that was not fun...

Classic tornado alley is back this year y'all! The plains states have been crazy active! LOL
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Man guys, I need some exciting weather to pick me back up after watching the Astros game tonight lol oof 🤦‍♂️
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Interesting maps of the derecho. I notice the CAPE and Effective Bulk Shear is tight.
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