August 2017: Looking Back at Harvey 5 Year Later

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DoctorMu wrote:
don wrote:I dont like the look of the radar now across the county, it looks like the rain may be filling back in...
Seeing a potential core rain setting up on the vapor loop - Prairie View, Bellville, LaGrange. The center of circulation is moving closer to the coast...although Harvey has picked up some dry air, the GoM siphon keeps feeding the beast.

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/dml/comp/goes/ceus/wv.html

Another rough night ahead. Everyone sit tight - tricky to pinpoint exactly where the heaviest rains will occur - Beaumont, SW LA, north Houston, NW Harris, Liberty, and the Prairie View to La Grange arc look most under the gun.
I saw the forecast models.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... s=0&ypos=0

They all have core rain, but at different locations.
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The band to the sw has me worried. The same thing happened last evening with a band that started there then came in and stalled out....
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Had a nice reprieve earlier today here in Sugar Land .... this morning went and checked on my neighborhood and had spotty street flooding in the Settlers Park Subdivision but none into any homes. Had 18+ inches in the 48 hours ending at around noon.

With that said, the rain band is now setting up and my fear is another core event is setting up for the overnight hours. Sugar Land has been tested with it's drainage system which they have been working on improvements for many years and so far it IMO has worked pretty well. With the Brazos River rise expected to be in record territory and ongoing epic rainfall forecasted, this system is going to be put to the ultimate test.

Haven't been able to post much on this forum but have checked in and want to thank everyone for the contributions and straight talk when it comes to forecasting such a disaster that we have. Please heed your local authorities and make wise decisions as we continue through this very trying time for everyone.
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TexasBreeze wrote:The band to the sw has me worried. The same thing happened last evening with a band that started there then came in and stalled out....
Last night's band got larger and more intense.
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djjordan wrote:Had a nice reprieve earlier today here in Sugar Land .... this morning went and checked on my neighborhood and had spotty street flooding in the Settlers Park Subdivision but none into any homes. Had 18+ inches in the 48 hours ending at around noon.

With that said, the rain band is now setting up and my fear is another core event is setting up for the overnight hours. Sugar Land has been tested with it's drainage system which they have been working on improvements for many years and so far it IMO has worked pretty well. With the Brazos River rise expected to be in record territory and ongoing epic rainfall forecasted, this system is going to be put to the ultimate test.

Haven't been able to post much on this forum but have checked in and want to thank everyone for the contributions and straight talk when it comes to forecasting such a disaster that we have. Please heed your local authorities and make wise decisions as we continue through this very trying time for everyone.
Same here in Stafford. Hubby took a ride around earlier today. Looks like rain is coming again. Going to be another long night. got about 4 hours sleep last night and managed an hour nap this afternoon.

Thankfully my office is closed tomorrow. Not that I was planning on going in, but thankful that Corporate has a heart after all.
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MESOSCALE PRECIPITATION DISCUSSION 0745
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
757 PM EDT SUN AUG 27 2017

AREAS AFFECTED...SOUTHEAST TX AND SOUTHERN LA

CONCERNING...HEAVY RAINFALL...FLASH FLOODING LIKELY

VALID 280000Z - 280600Z

SUMMARY...SIGNIFICANT TO CATASTROPHIC FLOODING IS POSSIBLE AGAIN
THROUGH THE OVERNIGHT HOURS WHERE BANDING FEATURES ASSOCIATED WITH
HARVEY SET UP.

DISCUSSION...THE GOES-16 SHORT WAVE IR LOOP WAS INDICATING THE
DEVELOPMENT OF NORTH/SOUTH ORIENTED BANDING FEATURES FORMING OVER
PORTIONS OF THE UPPER TX COAST...AND THE REGIONAL RADARS ARE
STARTING TO SHOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF BANDED FEATURES AS WELL. THE
BANDED FEATURES ARE FORMING IN THE 35 TO 45 KNOT CONVERGENT FLOW
EAST OF THE LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION... WHERE 2.50/2.75 INCH
PRECIPITABLE WATER AIR IS FEEDING THE DEVELOPING BANDED CONVECTION.

HOURLY RAINFALL RATES ARE ONCE AGAIN APPROACHING 2.00 INCHES
ACROSS THE UPPER TX COAST OVER CHAMBERS...LIBERTY AND JEFFERSON
COUNTIES IN TX. AS WAS THE CASE SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY
MORNING...BANDED CONVECTIVE FEATURES ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP AND
TRACK SLOWLY EASTWARD...MAINLY ACROSS THE UPPER COAST OF TX AND
GRADUALLY MOVE INTO SOUTHWEST LA.

THERE IS A STRONG HIGH RESOLUTION MODEL SIGNAL FOR BANDING TO
BUILD THROUGH 03Z ACROSS THE UPPER TX COAST...THEN START PEAKING
BETWEEN 03Z AND 06Z FROM THE HOUSTON METRO AREA INTO PORTIONS OF
SOUTHWEST LA. WHILE THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES REGARDING THE
PLACEMENT OF THE MAXIMUM RAINFALL BANDS...ALL MODELS SHOW THE
POTENTIAL FOR HOURLY RAINFALL RATES BETWEEN 2.00 AND 3.00 INCHES
OVER THE UPPER TX COAST...AND LOCAL 5 TO 10+ INCHES OF RAINFALL
THROUGH 06Z.

THIS COULD INCLUDE THE HOUSTON METRO AREAS...AS SEVERAL HIGH
RESOLUTION MODEL RUNS (INCLUDING THE 12Z WRF ARW/NMMB AND 18Z NAM
CONUS NEST) INDICATED THAT HOUSTON COULD ONCE AGAIN BE IN FOR
SIGNIFICANT TO CATASTROPHIC FLASH FLOODING. ADDITIONAL FLOODING IS
EXPECTED AFTER 06Z AS WELL.


FURTHER NORTH...A PERSISTENT EAST NORTHEAST FLOW OF MODERATE TO
HEAVY RAINFALL NORTH OF THE LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION WILL CONTINUE.
THE MOISTURE AND INSTABILITY BECOME ELEVATED OVER PORTIONS OF
CENTRAL TX...AND COULD RESULT IN AN ADDITIONAL 2.00 OR 3.00 INCH
RAINFALL AMOUNTS...EXACERBATING ONGOING FLOODING.

FINALLY...MOISTURE AND INSTABILITY FEEDING CONVECTION THAT RIDES
OVER A FRONTAL BOUNDARY OVER SOUTHERNMOST LA COULD PRODUCE
SCATTERED HOURLY RAINFALL RATES NEAR 2.00 INCHES AS IT REACHES THE
NEW ORLEANS METRO AREA. WHILE MUCH OF THE HIGH RESOLUTION GUIDANCE
IS NOT BULLISH WITH THIS ACTIVITY...LOCAL 3.00 TO 5.00 INCH
AMOUNTS HERE COULD CAUSE ISSUES IN THE METRO AREA.

HAYES
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djjordan wrote:Had a nice reprieve earlier today here in Sugar Land .... this morning went and checked on my neighborhood and had spotty street flooding in the Settlers Park Subdivision but none into any homes. Had 18+ inches in the 48 hours ending at around noon.

With that said, the rain band is now setting up and my fear is another core event is setting up for the overnight hours. Sugar Land has been tested with it's drainage system which they have been working on improvements for many years and so far it IMO has worked pretty well. With the Brazos River rise expected to be in record territory and ongoing epic rainfall forecasted, this system is going to be put to the ultimate test.

Haven't been able to post much on this forum but have checked in and want to thank everyone for the contributions and straight talk when it comes to forecasting such a disaster that we have. Please heed your local authorities and make wise decisions as we continue through this very trying time for everyone.
I live right near you, Lake Colony by HEB. Never seen flooding like this around here.
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mcheer23 wrote:
djjordan wrote:Had a nice reprieve earlier today here in Sugar Land .... this morning went and checked on my neighborhood and had spotty street flooding in the Settlers Park Subdivision but none into any homes. Had 18+ inches in the 48 hours ending at around noon.

With that said, the rain band is now setting up and my fear is another core event is setting up for the overnight hours. Sugar Land has been tested with it's drainage system which they have been working on improvements for many years and so far it IMO has worked pretty well. With the Brazos River rise expected to be in record territory and ongoing epic rainfall forecasted, this system is going to be put to the ultimate test.

Haven't been able to post much on this forum but have checked in and want to thank everyone for the contributions and straight talk when it comes to forecasting such a disaster that we have. Please heed your local authorities and make wise decisions as we continue through this very trying time for everyone.
I live right near you, Lake Colony by HEB. Never seen flooding like this around here.
Hey there neighbor!!! :) I've lived near the Gulf Coast for almost 20 years now and frankly I've seen my share of heavy rainfall but this is a whole other category of rain. Absolutely crazy rainfall rates!!!!
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Radar seems to be filling in. Does anyone have an explanation for why the dry air filtering into Harvey won't kill the storm?
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mckinne63 wrote:
djjordan wrote:Had a nice reprieve earlier today here in Sugar Land .... this morning went and checked on my neighborhood and had spotty street flooding in the Settlers Park Subdivision but none into any homes. Had 18+ inches in the 48 hours ending at around noon.

With that said, the rain band is now setting up and my fear is another core event is setting up for the overnight hours. Sugar Land has been tested with it's drainage system which they have been working on improvements for many years and so far it IMO has worked pretty well. With the Brazos River rise expected to be in record territory and ongoing epic rainfall forecasted, this system is going to be put to the ultimate test.

Haven't been able to post much on this forum but have checked in and want to thank everyone for the contributions and straight talk when it comes to forecasting such a disaster that we have. Please heed your local authorities and make wise decisions as we continue through this very trying time for everyone.
Same here in Stafford. Hubby took a ride around earlier today. Looks like rain is coming again. Going to be another long night. got about 4 hours sleep last night and managed an hour nap this afternoon.

Thankfully my office is closed tomorrow. Not that I was planning on going in, but thankful that Corporate has a heart after all.
Yeah I hear ya.... work can take a back seat right now. My family comes first with their safety! :)
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MESOSCALE PRECIPITATION DISCUSSION 0745
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
757 PM EDT SUN AUG 27 2017

AREAS AFFECTED...SOUTHEAST TX AND SOUTHERN LA

CONCERNING...HEAVY RAINFALL...FLASH FLOODING LIKELY

VALID 280000Z - 280600Z

SUMMARY...SIGNIFICANT TO CATASTROPHIC FLOODING IS POSSIBLE AGAIN
THROUGH THE OVERNIGHT HOURS WHERE BANDING FEATURES ASSOCIATED WITH
HARVEY SET UP.

DISCUSSION...THE GOES-16 SHORT WAVE IR LOOP WAS INDICATING THE
DEVELOPMENT OF NORTH/SOUTH ORIENTED BANDING FEATURES FORMING OVER
PORTIONS OF THE UPPER TX COAST...AND THE REGIONAL RADARS ARE
STARTING TO SHOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF BANDED FEATURES AS WELL. THE
BANDED FEATURES ARE FORMING IN THE 35 TO 45 KNOT CONVERGENT FLOW
EAST OF THE LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION... WHERE 2.50/2.75 INCH
PRECIPITABLE WATER AIR IS FEEDING THE DEVELOPING BANDED CONVECTION.

HOURLY RAINFALL RATES ARE ONCE AGAIN APPROACHING 2.00 INCHES
ACROSS THE UPPER TX COAST OVER CHAMBERS...LIBERTY AND JEFFERSON
COUNTIES IN TX. AS WAS THE CASE SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY
MORNING...BANDED CONVECTIVE FEATURES ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP AND
TRACK SLOWLY EASTWARD...MAINLY ACROSS THE UPPER COAST OF TX AND
GRADUALLY MOVE INTO SOUTHWEST LA.

THERE IS A STRONG HIGH RESOLUTION MODEL SIGNAL FOR BANDING TO
BUILD THROUGH 03Z ACROSS THE UPPER TX COAST...THEN START PEAKING
BETWEEN 03Z AND 06Z FROM THE HOUSTON METRO AREA INTO PORTIONS OF
SOUTHWEST LA. WHILE THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES REGARDING THE
PLACEMENT OF THE MAXIMUM RAINFALL BANDS...ALL MODELS SHOW THE
POTENTIAL FOR HOURLY RAINFALL RATES BETWEEN 2.00 AND 3.00 INCHES
OVER THE UPPER TX COAST...AND LOCAL 5 TO 10+ INCHES OF RAINFALL
THROUGH 06Z.

THIS COULD INCLUDE THE HOUSTON METRO AREAS...AS SEVERAL HIGH
RESOLUTION MODEL RUNS (INCLUDING THE 12Z WRF ARW/NMMB AND 18Z NAM
CONUS NEST) INDICATED THAT HOUSTON COULD ONCE AGAIN BE IN FOR
SIGNIFICANT TO CATASTROPHIC FLASH FLOODING. ADDITIONAL FLOODING IS
EXPECTED AFTER 06Z AS WELL.

FURTHER NORTH...A PERSISTENT EAST NORTHEAST FLOW OF MODERATE TO
HEAVY RAINFALL NORTH OF THE LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION WILL CONTINUE.
THE MOISTURE AND INSTABILITY BECOME ELEVATED OVER PORTIONS OF
CENTRAL TX...AND COULD RESULT IN AN ADDITIONAL 2.00 OR 3.00 INCH
RAINFALL AMOUNTS...EXACERBATING ONGOING FLOODING.

FINALLY...MOISTURE AND INSTABILITY FEEDING CONVECTION THAT RIDES
OVER A FRONTAL BOUNDARY OVER SOUTHERNMOST LA COULD PRODUCE
SCATTERED HOURLY RAINFALL RATES NEAR 2.00 INCHES AS IT REACHES THE
NEW ORLEANS METRO AREA. WHILE MUCH OF THE HIGH RESOLUTION GUIDANCE
IS NOT BULLISH WITH THIS ACTIVITY...LOCAL 3.00 TO 5.00 INCH
AMOUNTS HERE COULD CAUSE ISSUES IN THE METRO AREA.

HAYES

ATTN...WFO...CRP...EWX...FWD...HGX...LCH...LIX...SHV...

ATTN...RFC...LMRFC...WGRFC...

LAT...LON   31649527 31549389 30859164 30409029 30359018
            29968966 29368977 29269070 29399156 29709296
            29629419 29109494 28559587 28619648 28769686
            29719773 29959789 30019803 30589769 31119686
http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/metwatch/m ... 45&yr=2017
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TexasBreeze wrote:The band to the sw has me worried. The same thing happened last evening with a band that started there then came in and stalled out....
I think this band may wait until it passes Houston to get heavier. For now, I'm expecting at most an inch or two in SW Houston from it over the next hour or two.
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Snowman wrote:Radar seems to be filling in. Does anyone have an explanation for why the dry air filtering into Harvey won't kill the storm?
I think it's a slow death. Compared to last night at this time, the long feeder bands in the Gulf are training the Golden Triangle and LA, instead of Houston. And you don't see the solid reds, like last night either. Finally, the southern flank of Harvey is wide open, unlike yesterday.

Think of the dry air being more like Fire Ant mound killer, rather than Raid.
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The HCFCD site appears to be down.
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jasons wrote:The HCFCD site appears to be down.
As is the Flood Warning System website, too.

So, Jason, last year or two years ago, you couldn't buy a raindrop. Are you getting enough raindrops, this weekend? ;)
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I mentioned that there should be reporting of the dam releasing water to relieve the flooding danger two days ago. However only now on August 27 at 8:40pm it was announced that the two reservoirs (Baken and Addick) would start to release water on Monday August 28 at 2am. Why would it not done earlier? This is adding
more water to the downstream when there is already flooding.
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It seems probable that some homes near Clay Road and Eldridge, and in the vicinity of the Westpark Toll Road and Highway 99 will see water remain in homes for up to two months. That is not a misprint.
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